I saw on SDN this thread on what to wear on rotations and to be fair it was from 04, but everyone was horrible and they all just pretty much were saying all women were skanky looking unprofessional sluts who use looks and sex to get ahead like wow i get everyone should be dressed appropriately but do people really think women can’t earn their professionalism by hard work? - Anon
First of all,
CONSIDER THE SOURCE.
Sounds to me like the dudebros that were writing on that thread have very little respect for their female colleagues.
It doesn’t matter that it was written 10 years ago. Someone probably wrote or said the same thing yesterday. But let’s be clear: you don’t get into medical school on cleavage and legs. You get in and get through on hard work, brains, and a touch of personality. Those women earned their place in medical school. It wasn’t traded to them for sex. If anything, they may have had to work harder than their male counterparts just so people would respect more than just their figures.
Regardless of how the women were dressed, it sounds like the guys are jealous that they’re not getting all the attention. Heaven forbid a guy have to work hard and go the extra mile to be noticed and appreciated.
I’ve also found that people like to find fault with EVERYTHING that women wear to work. If they wear well tailored skirts and blouses with a little flair and have their hair done flawlessly, they’re sluts or brainless ditzes who are sleeping their way to the top.
If they’re not particularly fashion conscious, they “should try dressing up more”. If they wear scrubs, sneakers, and ponytails in the hospital, they’re unprofessional slobs. If they wear a dress on casual Friday, they must be trying to get ahead. If their skirt is above the knee, they’re a skank; below the knee, they’re prudes. If they aren’t wearing makeup, people assume they had a “rough night,” and if they have pencilled in eyebrows and painted nails, they must be trying to impress the attending for a good grade.
Enough. This is ridiculous.
I don’t consider myself an outspoken feminist. I lean toward pretty “traditional” values and gender roles when it comes to my own life. You guys know this about me. But as a woman who worked her TAIL off to get to where I am, I find the whole idea that pretty women must have had their positions handed to them HIGHLY offensive. Even as a woman who was never considered to be one of the “pretty ones,” it disgusts me. If the pretty ones had their grades handed to them, how did the “not pretty ones” do it? Maybe, perhaps, we all have brains.
For those who haven’t taken the MCAT or USMLE or COMLEX, let me let you in on a little secret: there’s no team of graders that you can flash a little chest to to up your score. It’s just cubicles and computers and your brain. When someone discredits one woman’s hard work, they discredit us all.
Ladies, when at work, dress in a way that is respectful to yourself and your patients, however you define that. Forget the rest.
And stop reading SDN forums.
Hi, I know that you are a girl but I had some questions about male doctors. I’m in nursing school and of course all of my classmates which are mostly girls want to get with a “hot doctor”. They always say that doctors like nurses. Do doctors really want to be with nurses or is it just a made up idea that doctors and nurses should be together? -anon
Some doctors want to be with nurses. Most are not so shallow as to pick their mate based solely on their profession.
Actually, the few doctors I know who married nurses did so on their third or fourth marriage…. just sayin’.
I think people end up trying to find their significant other among the people they’re around the most. Doctors and nurses cross paths a lot, so surely some of them are bound to pair up.
Some of the stereotype of doctors going after nurses is based on men who lust after the “naughty nurse” fantasy, not real life. It probably stems from decades of workplace sexual harassment on the part of “old school” docs.
It goes the other way too. Girls are encouraged to go after a man with money or power, someone who will take care of her and pamper her. So doctors, these guys who supposedly have money and high social status (hello, that’s changing) become their aim.
I’m not sure where you work, but I don’t know many McDreamys at my hospital.
The “hot doctor”/”naughty nurse” fantasies are a bit immature to me. I would imagine that your nursing student friends are mostly pretty young and new to the medical world. They will learn soon enough that “hot doctors” are few and far between, and the young residents who would be in their realm of snagging are all flat BROKE and can’t pamper them the way they think a doctor will.
So, anon, go after whoever you’re interested in, but don’t fall victim to the fantasies.
so… is the hymen a real thing? - anon
Heh, it is indeed a real life anatomical structure. There are a lot of misconceptions about the hymen, so let’s take a second to clear those up.
Potentially NSFW terms and diagrams after the jump.
Of obvious and grave importance: how do folks dress in medical school?
On class days during the first 2 years, most folks are jeans and t-shirt types. We even had some PJ bottom folks in our class. Occasionally (like when everything else is dirty), folks get fancy. Some schools mandate business casual, but that’s rare. Our school only required us to dress up on days where we interacted with standardized patients or real ones. Since we were a PBL school, we had mandatory attendance, so we didn’t have the pantsless-at-home option on group days.
In the second half of medYes, I am taking scar stories. I had to turn off submissions a while ago because of pr0n blogs, but I can turn it back on tonight when I’m home. school, folks go with business casual at the hospital. That usually implies dress pants and nice shirt, +/- tie for the guys, and dress pants + blouse/skirt/dress for girls. Some places are even more casual, like my current workplace, and allow jeans on Fridays.
'Tis possible. If the girls are the area you generally gain weight in first, then you'll probably lose some weight from them. If your boobs are primarily glandular breast tissue (and not fat), then you probably won't lose much from them.
Also - I feel your pain when it comes to trying to lose weight with a large chest. Apparently after you reach a certain cup size, sports manufacturers just assume that you won’t be exercising.
In nursing home rounds with 6 guys
K: Mr. H is bothered by his testicles again. He says they hurt and that they shrunk. He’s always concerned about his testicles. But I mean, who isn’t concerned with their testicles?
Me and the female intern:
So you’re talking about scenes like this, yes?
No, there’s not really a stigma about dressing up. At least where I work, in the warm fuzzy environment of family medicine where we love everyone and everything is rainbows and unicorns, it is okay for ladies to dress nicely. Except I wore a new scarf last week on casual Friday (with jeans though) and 2 different people asked me why I was all dressed up, so that was weird.
Girl, get yo hair did. Get yo nails did. Wear those uncomfortable high heels (but don’t look to residents like me who only wear flats to pity you at the end of the day). Wear that adorable chevron monogrammed scarf that you love. Also enjoy waking up super early to do that stuff.
Things may be a little different in more traditionally male-dominated specialties like surgery, but in primary care, we are ok with dressing nicely. Regardless of what you go into though, don’t worry about it. Dress in a way that is respectful to your patients and attendings, and don’t look like a total slob (I mean unless you’re on call or night float, then scrub PJs all day long!) and you’ll be fine.
I made a semi-serious post about that a while back in my That Girly Stuff series.
But on a completely serious note…
You can always sneak away for 2 minutes to, um… refresh your supplies…even when you’re on call. That is, if you’re prepared. Always have supplies, whether in your car, your white coat pocket (sew in INSIDE pockets…they’re amazing), your call room, or your locker (if you’re lucky and your hospital has these).
Being a med student or a resident is a lot like being a boy scout. You should always be prepared. Because no one who works 80 hours a week should be expected to keep up with a monthly calendar.
You could even go in with fellow students or residents to keep the call room bathroom stocked for emergencies. Cuz hey, surely you’re not the only student who has run into this problem, right?
W, on patient with a somewhat stable GI bleed: I say send him home, even though he’s bleeding.
C: Let him bleed at home! Women do it all the time!
Intern: The patient asked me if she could take Midol while she’s on coumadin. I had to look it up to find out what’s in it. Turns out, Midol is a hundred different things. You got Midol PM which is acetominophen and diphenhydramine, Midol teen which is acetominophen and pamabrom, whatever that is…Midol Liquigels, which is ibuprofen, and Midol Extended Relief, which is Naproxen. So basically Midol is Tylenol, Motrin, or Aleve, depending on which kind you get.
Me: I think there’s another form that has caffeine in it and is essentially the same as Excedrin migraine.
3rd Year: They should make Midol with Haldol.
Attending: AHA! Yes! For when that time of the month coincides with full moons. Or for when your uterus starts talking to you.
Any ideas about interview wear for ladies? I’ve seen your post lamenting the downfalls of heels, but what about the rest of the ensemble? And the shoes: heels? flats? depends on what you’re pairing them with? thanks! -aconn51
Again, I’m not the foremost authority on med student / resident fashion out there. Not. At. All. But I offer my observations.
In the med school or residency interview, suits are always encouraged and accepted. I didn’t wear a suit to my med school interview because I couldn’t afford one at the time, but I can’t really say I recommend that option too highly. I wore a nice tailored, belted blouse with dress pants and heels. It was professional, and it made me stand out, but it probably wouldn’t be appropriate for every school or program. Fortunately, I was applying to a place that was pretty laid back and already sort of knew me.
any advice for a teen who wants info on sex & birth control but doesn’t know how to ask at an appointment because mom or dad is always in the room? -anonymous
When I see kids 12 and up, I always ask the parent to leave the room briefly for this very reason. I’ve found that even teenagers who aren’t doing anything their parents would disapprove of are still embarrassed to ask questions to their parents or in front of them. I’ve had teenagers ask about bullying, cutting, sex, birth control, STDs, drugs, etc in these brief private encounters.
If your doctor is not one who regularly does 1-on-1 interviewing with teenagers, maybe ask your parents if they will wait in the waiting room and allow you to go in alone to show them that you are mature enough to go it alone at the doctor’s.
Another option would be to call ahead to your doctor’s office, explain the situation, and request that the doctor ask your parents to step out so that you don’t have to ask them yourself.
Depending on your state and your age, you may be allowed to make an appointment on your own anyway and go without your parents. I assume that you don’t drive, though, anon, because you state that your parents are always with you at visits. A driver’s license does afford you a bit more freedom.
In the meantime, here are some good resources about sex and types of birth control.
I have an old That Girly Stuff post about name changes. But I’ll add that I don’t know many people who use the professional/social name system. I know maybe 3. I haven’t found it to be super common, but again, I’m in the South, where most women change their names anyway. It could be confusing for your patients if you practice in a small town where people are likely to know you in a medical and social context, but if you are in a big city where you can separate the two, it might go smoother.
I hear from my friends that it’s kind of a hassle to get your “professional name” changed on your medical license, DEA number, NPI number, etc, but if it’s what you really want, you’ll do it. I think it’d be just as hard to keep up with 2 names as it would to bite the bullet and do some one-time paperwork.
Hey there I know you mentioned previously you wanted to go abroad for a mission trip whenever you have the time/resources. I wanted to join the peace corps once I’m done with my NP program but ill be in my late twenties and I’m just freaking out like will I ever have time to do that and find a husband and have kids at a reasonable age and I guess I’m just freaking out/ranting but wondering if you had your mission trip planned/figured out? -anon
Well hey there yourself gray-face, and welcome to WayfaringMD’s life struggles.
Here is a post dealing with your question. In short though, you can do it all. Life may not follow the timeline you wanted it to follow when you were 14, but if these things are meant to happen for you, they will in due time.
These worries hit me from time to time too. I very much want the husband + babies + mission work ideal situation, but I’m learning to be content with where I am. I’m learning to take advantage of my singleness, which I hope is just on loan to me but is possibly a permanent gift, and use it in a way that glorifies God.
I am in the process of planning a trip for August of this year. I had plans in place (two or three times, actually), but they keep falling through for various reasons, which is why I haven’t announced travel plans yet. I’m down to 2 options left, so I’m hoping one will work out soon, otherwise I’ll have to rearrange my whole schedule for the coming academic/residency year. When plane tickets are in hand, I’ll make a more formal post about it all.